War and *Peace* What have we learned?

Excerpt from the “Discussions of The Dhammapada, Vol8″

Question – Beloved Master, You told us the story of Krishna and Arjuna. But is there no value in resisting war in a time where a handful of madmen play with atomic bombs?

Osho – Peter Bohm, how can you resist these few madmen who are playing with atom bombs? What will be your strategy of resistance? In fact, your resistance may bring the war sooner than otherwise; your resistance is not going to prevent it.

The only thing that can prevent the world war is that you start a totally new consciousness, that you start a new kind of humanity… a man who is capable of love, a man who is capable of meditation. Let love and meditation spread far and wide. Let meditation reach to as many people as possible. Except that, all your efforts at resistance are impotent.

You can protest and you can go on a long march, but have you ever watched the protesters, the people who are against war, the pacifists? Have you watched their processions? They look so aggressive, they themselves look mad! If they had the atom bombs, just to protect peace they would be the first to drop the atom bombs. They are as mad as the other party; there is no difference at all. Their minds are as political as the people who are in power; the only difference is that they are not in power. And their anger, their pent-up anger, you can see on their faces, in their slogans.

Every peace protest ends in a fight with the police, with the military. It ends in burning buses, post offices, police stations, cars. What kind of love is this and what kind of resistance is this? It is impotent! But they are feeling they are doing something great. It is an ego trip and nothing else.

What can you do? Yes, you can shout and you can go for a long march with great posters, and it will give you a certain satisfaction because your pent-up energies will be released. It is a kind of catharsis. Unknowingly, you are doing Dynamic Meditation — but it would be better if you do it knowingly.

Yes, war has come to a point where it can destroy the whole humanity, and not only humanity but the whole earth. Life as such can be destroyed. What can we do?

Scientific knowledge has gone far ahead of man’s spiritual growth; that is the problem, the real problem. Who are these madmen you are talking about? Are they any different from you, Peter Bohm? Richard Nixon, Brezhnev, Ayatollah Khomeini — are these different people from you? Maybe there is some quantitative difference, but there is no qualitative difference. If  YOU come in power you will prove the same. And one day these people were not in power; they were also just like you. When they are in power, then their real faces show up.

Lord Acton says: Power corrupts. It is not true. Power never corrupts, but corrupted people are attracted towards power. Of course, without power they cannot show their real faces. Power only gives them the right context in which they can reveal their heart’s reality. Power does not corrupt, it only reveals the truth. Powerless people may not look mad because they cannot afford to be mad. Give them power and then you will see: they are as mad as anybody else.

I don’t see any difference between warmongers and pacifists; they are the same kind of people. They appear to be polar opposites but they belong together. Deep down they are one; two ends of the same stick. Yes, I would like the earth to become a paradise and not a cemetery… but what kind of resistance?

Even if Krishna was here, at THIS juncture he would not have suggested war. I am absolutely certain about it. I say categorically that Krishna would not have said to Arjuna to fight at this moment, because this is global suicide. Five thousand years have passed since Krishna and much has changed.
We have come to the point where total war is possible. Nobody is going to be the winner, so what is the point of war? War has been significant in the past because somebody would win and somebody would lose. Now there is going to be no winner; all are going to be the losers. War has lost all significance — war is absolutely stupid today. It may have had some meaning in the past; it has none anymore.

Krishna’s message is irrelevant today; Buddha’s message is more relevant. Krishna’s message is out of date; Buddha’s message is very contemporary. But what is his message? His message is: If you really want peace on the earth, create peace in your heart, in your being. That is the right place to begin with — and then spread, radiate peace and love.

If more and more people become peaceful, joyous, if more and more people can dance and sing, if more and more people can say “Alleluia!” from their very innermost core, it will become impossible for these few mad people to create a war. Then we can put these mad people into mental asylums very easily. We can convert our capitals into mental asylums; that is not a big problem, once many many people’s inner consciousness is transformed.

Be a meditator.
Be a lover.
Be a celebrant.

Create the whole existence with as much bliss and joy as possible. Make life so beautiful that nobody wants to die. Right now, the situation is just the opposite: life is so ugly that who cares? If war happens, in fact, people will feel relieved. They don’t have to commit suicide and still the war is going to do the work for them they always wanted to do themselves.

Psychologists say it is very difficult to find a man who has not thought at least four times in his life of committing suicide. But to commit suicide is not easy; it goes against the life instinct. But if somebody else can take the responsibility and somebody else can drop an atom bomb or a hydrogen bomb, then we are freed of the responsibility of committing suicide and still the suicide happens. And not only WE are dying but everybody else with us.

We have to change people’s suicidal mind. Why do people think of suicide? — for the simple reason that life is ugly and they don’t know how to beautify it, how to make a song out of it. It is just sadness, a long long anguish, a nightmare. That’s why people become interested in war and they support war — for any stupid cause, for any excuse they are ready to kill and be killed.

And in fact, all political causes are stupid, all so-called political revolutions are stupid. The only revolution which is not stupid is spiritual, is inner, is individual.

If you really want a world without war, create this individual revolution I call sannyas. This is real resistance. Without resisting anybody you create a different space, a different context, in which life starts blooming, life becomes creative. And if people are creative, blooming, joyous, politics and politicians will be things of the past. Yes, you can save a few politicians to keep them in the zoos for future children to come and see: “Look, this is Morarji Desai!” You can stuff them with straw — they are already stuffed with straw and nothing else; they won’t need much more straw, just a little bit will do. And this is possible now. It was never possible before because war was never such a danger. Politics is now the most stupid game, mad, utterly mad.

These are tremendously significant moments, because we can change the whole human consciousness from being political to spiritual.

Spiritual Quotes on Peace

  • Peace is absence of disturbance. The disturbance is due to the arising of thoughts in the individual, which is only the ego rising up from pure consciousness. To bring about peace means to be free from thoughts and to abide as pure consciousness. – Ramana Maharshi
  • Peace means a state of inner health, a state of inner wholeness, where you are not torturing others, not torturing yourself, where you are neither interested in happiness nor in unhappiness. You are simply interested in being absolutely silent, calm, quiet, collected, integrated. – Osho
  • When desires are restrained there will be peace,
    and then all under heaven will be at rest. – Lao Tzu
  • Peace of mind is a contradiction in terms: when mind is there, peace cannot be; and if peace is there, then mind cannot be. They cannot both be there together.” In fact, mind is your anxiety, your anguish, your tensions, your thoughts, your emotions, sentiments, moods, ups and downs — everything is mind. Peace is possible only if you go beyond mind. – Osho
  • The nearer you come to God, the more you feel peace. Peace, peace, peace— supreme peace! The nearer you come to the Ganges, the more you feel its coolness. You will feel completely soothed when you plunge into the river. – Ramakrishna
  • Those who delight in the slaughter of people will
    never thrive among all that dwell under heaven. – Lao tzu
  • What is good and what is right, thinking makes it so. Surrender the mind for a while to God consciousness, and you will find peace. – Swami Rama
  • Politicians cannot be loving, they know only war. That’s natural; they exist through conflict. So they may talk about peace, but their whole talk is. just nonsense, just gibberish. They talk about peace and they prepare for war. They never prepare for peace. They prepare for war and they never talk about war, they talk about peace. And when the time comes, they even war and fight for peace. They say it has to be done to save peace. But basically, the mind of the competitor is violent. One who is ambitious is violent and cannot be loving. – Osho
  • The Avadhuta learnt this lesson from the kite, that as long as a man has the fish, that is, worldly desires, he must perform actions and consequently suffer from worry, anxiety, and restlessness. No sooner does he renounce these desires than his activities fall away and he enjoys peace of soul. – Ramakrishna
  • The world will know peace only when we have learnt how to go beyond mind. Then you are not a Christian and you are not an Indian, you are not a Chinese and you are not a communist. Then you are simply a human being. In that utter purity of humanness, the world will come to know exactly what peace is and what a celebration it brings with itself. – Osho

24 thoughts on “War and *Peace* What have we learned?

  1. I believe the world must slow down. People are concern with the wrong things. Why do you destroy a country because of elections or religion? Today brother are killing brother. Leaving families to mourn. Hate create hate. Violence create more violence. Jesus said turn the other cheek and love the child. If we are blind to forgiveness for ourselves. Do we want to have our children live in this mess we allowed. I do believe there are non-violent ways to create change. Had been done by many brave men and woman. Work stoppage and peaceful demonstrations. People must demand change or peace will be forgotten. I like to see the leaders send their children to war. Maybe they would see war with a different vision. Understand war is not the cure. I was in the Army with President Clinton. I went on four missions of water, food and medicine to Africa. We open closed doors by gifts of kindness. Kindness bring hope. Love bring forgiveness. The heart must lead us to peace. Not greed or revenge.


  2. Best part for me: “Peace of mind is a contradiction in terms”…what a concept, and so totally. I also like the idea of competition having a violent aspect to it. I wrestle with a competitive nature…and thinking there is enough for everyone, and that we all shine in our different ways, but I never thought of it as well…so aggressive! I’ll have to ponder…This is some really heady stuff!


  3. Maddy, I loved your post. Living in perpetual peace and strive to make it happen is another mission of mine. And I am happy that the blogosphere, as you have read in my email, has contributed a lot on my views of love and peace; it is through the interaction with the great bloggers like you and Sofia and others that my passion remains ablaze.

    I however must take the liberty to underline some of the statements above here:

    “And in fact, all political causes are stupid, all so-called political revolutions are stupid. The only revolution which is not stupid is spiritual, is inner, is individual.”

    “These are tremendously significant moments, because we can change the whole human consciousness from being political to spiritual.”

    and try to understand them from different point of views. While the domain of politics and spirituality are undeniably completely separate, I wouldn’t say comprehensive and everlasting change is attainable when we hail one of them but ignore or shun the other. Especially not with politics. The fact that massive changes prevail on earth through numerous political movements highlights this argument. Alexander the Great, Martin Luther King Jr, are notable examples. Wouldn’t you say Dr Martin Luther a great man who achieved high spiritul level and then changed the world through political means? And what about Gandhi? I am reading Gandhi’s autobiography because I’m curious about this kind of spiritual-political movement that he developed. For another five hundred pages and then I am done with the book, and it is very likely that my supposition was right: the greatness that Dr Martin Luther King and Gandhi had was due to strong spirituality and then they used this inner power to make everlasting changes through political means.

    I know there are many flaws with politics, but that’s primarily because the politicians are flawed. Just because some politicians are corrupt, it doesn’t mean all are. I was a political activist and I knew many bigots, but I also knew some saints. In a parliament both saints and bigots wear the same cloths.

    Maddy, I appreciate you conveying this message and illuminating the light in others. But I wouldn’t agree with one of the scornful comments above. Hailing spirituality but scorning politics and politicians? I am not sure whether that’s the right approach.

    Osho talks about love, and he talks about peace, right? So why now hates politics? Isn’t unlimited love means we love without boundaries?

    What we need is not division. What we need is unison. We need a comprhensive approach, just like what Gandhi and Dr Martin Luther King did. I am far from outlining another political theory here, but I m certain that’s the direction to go.

    And the truth is…
    We cannot talk of peace if there are always wars in our heart. We cannot speak of a better world if hatred still resides in our heart.

    Would you agree?


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  5. Maddie my dear! I’m so happy you are back!!!

    And this new blog is a blast of Light!
    I’ll take my time today to read all the posts you published because I want to give them a good thought! 🙂
    It looks amazing! And welcome back!!



  6. Love this, Maddie. I’m so glad you are back in the blogosphere. We need your energy.
    “Be a meditator.
    Be a lover.
    Be a celebrant.”
    I can’t think of a better recipe for peace. Sounds like I need to read this book.


    • Thank you Kozo, it’s great to be back. Yes it is a great recipe for peace, which shows you do not need this book…. you’re already living it! Living embodiment of peace is the vehicle for change. Your are these things and so much more, I nominate you spiritual CEO (Chief Enlightened Organizer) for our universal peace movement! Rock on brother Kozz!! 😀 *\o/*


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