What is a False Flag? Read up People!

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Summary of False Flag Operations and False Flag Terrorism

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Definition of False Flag

“False flag terrorism” occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people.The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy. Or as Wikipedia defines it:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one’s own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy’s strategy of tension.

The term comes from the old days of wooden ships, when one ship would hang the flag of its enemy before attacking another ship in its own navy. Because the enemy’s flag was hung instead of the flag of the real country of the attacking ship, it was called a “false flag” attack.

9/11 Note: For those wanting to explore the possibility of 9/11 as a false flag operation, click here.
Historical False Flag Attacks

There are many examples of false flag attacks throughout history. For example, it is widely known that the Nazis, in Operation Himmler, faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. And it has now been persuasively argued — as shown, for example, in this History Channel video — that Nazis set fire to their own parliament, the Reichstag, and blamed that fire on others. The Reichstag fire was the watershed event which justified Hitler’s seizure of power and suspension of liberties.

And in the early 1950s, agents of an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers). Israel’s Defense Minister was brought down by the scandal, along with the entire Israeli government.Click here for verification.

The Russian KGB apparently conducted a wave of bombings in Russia in order to justify war against Chechnya and put Vladimir Putin into power (see also this essay and this report). And the Turkish government has been caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group. Muslim governments also play this game. For example, the well-respected former Indonesian president claimed that their government had a role in the Bali bombings.

This sounds nuts, right? You’ve never heard of this “false flag terrorism,” where a government attacks its own people then blames others in order to justify its goals, right? And you are skeptical of the statements discussed above? Please take a look at these historical quotes:

“If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” – U.S. President James Madison

“Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” – Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

What about the U.S.?

Is it logical to assume that, even if other countries have carried out false flag operations (especially horrible regimes such as, say, the Nazis or Stalin), the U.S. has never done so? Well, as documented by the New York Times, Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950’s posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay).

And, as confirmed by a former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence, NATO carried out terror bombings in Italy with the help of the Pentagon and CIA and blamed communists in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Moreover, declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans.

For lots more on the astonishing Operation Northwoods, see the ABC news report; the official declassified documents; and watch this interview with James Bamford, the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. One quote from the the declassified Northwoods documents states: “A ‘Remember the Maine’ incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

What about Al-Qaeda?

You might think Al-Qaeda is different. It is very powerful, organized, and out to get us, right?Consider this Los Angeles Times article, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled The Power of Nightmares, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article on who is behind the hype). And former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski testified to the Senate that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative.”

And did you know that the FBI had penetrated the cell which carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but had – at the last minute – cancelled the plan to have its FBI infiltrator substitute fake powder for real explosives, against the infiltrator’s strong wishes? See also this TV news report.

Have you heard that the CIA is alleged to have met with Bin Laden two months before 9/11? Did you know that years after 9/11 the FBI first stated that it did not have sufficient evidence to prosecute Bin Laden for 9/11? (See also this partial confirmation by the Washington Post) And did you see the statement in Newsweek by the CIA commander in charge of the capture that the U.S. let Bin Laden escape from Afghanistan?

Have you heard that the anthrax attacks – which were sent along with notes purportedly written by Islamic terrorists – used a weaponized anthrax strain from the top U.S. bioweapons facility? Indeed,top bioweapons experts have stated that the anthrax attack may have been a CIA test “gone wrong.” For more on this, see this article by a former NSA and naval intelligence officer and this statement by a distinguished law professor and bioterror expert (and this one).

It is also interesting that the only Congress members mailed anthrax letters were key Democrats, and that the attacks occurred one week before passage of the freedom-curtailing PATRIOT Act, which seems to have scared them and the rest of Congress into passing that act without even reading it. And though it may be a coincidence, White House staff began taking the anti-anthrax medicine before the Anthrax attacks occurred.

Even General William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency, said “By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism, yet in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation” (the audio is here).

Why Does This Matter?

Please read what the following highly respected people are saying:

Former prominent Republican U.S. Congressman and CIA official Bob Barr stated that the U.S. is close to becoming a totalitarian society and that elements in government are using fear to try to bring this about.

Republican U.S. Congressman Ron Paul stated that the government “is determined to have martial law.” He also said a contrived “Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.” Former National Security Adviser Brzezinski told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify yet another war.

The former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, who is called the “Father of Reaganomics” and is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, BusinessWeek, and Scripps Howard News Service, has said:

“Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging ‘terrorist’ attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?

Retired 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, stated that if there was another major attack in the U.S., it would lead to martial law. He went on to say:

“We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation – big violent explosions of some kind – we have to not take the word of the masters there in Washington that this was some terrorist event because it could well be a provocationallowing them, or seemingly to allow them to get what they want.”

The former CIA analyst would not put it past the government to “play fast and loose” with terror alerts and warnings and even terrorist events in order to rally people behind the flag.

General Tommy Franks stated that if another terrorist attack occurs in the United States “the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.” Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter stated before the Iraq war started that there were no weapons of mass destruction. He is now saying that he would not rule out staged government terror by the U.S. government. And British Parliament Member George Galloway stated that “there is a very real danger” that the American government will stage a false flag terror attack in order to justify war against Iran and to gain complete control domestically.

The abundance of reliable information in this essay suggests that not only has the U.S. in the past conducted false flag operations, but there is a possibility that 9/11 involved some element of this deceit, and a future false flag operation cannot be ruled out. Let us spread this news to all who care so that we might build the critical mass necessary to stop these secret operations and work together for a more caring civil society.
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War or Peace: Damning Eye-Witness Video of MH17 False Flag; Plus, Strange Failures of Russian Rockets

Yes, pretty damning evidence against the Washington Cabal. Die already, lol! 😉

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Link to videoWarning – GRAPHIC!

This has just been brougth to my attention. I believe it is necessary to post the translation of this very graphic and disturbing, but extremely damning video. Please keep in mind that the site that has posted this video, ‘AnnaNews,’ keeps being deleted by YouTube for their unbending drive to tell the truth. However, it keeps coming back up. Watch the video asap, to avoid missing out in case of deletion.

Incidentally, we have discussed the Boeing 777 #MH17 false flag in the Inaugural Episode of Lada Ray Live show: Crimea’s Scythian Gold; MH17; Russian Sanctions – Global Consequences.

Below, I have translated the main points of the commentary by the independent journalist Alena Kochkina, who was at the site of the MH17 crash 20 minutes after the event and who took the pictures in above video.

Translation of the main points:

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LadaRayLive 2. Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie/ Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU

Great info Lada, thanks for sharing the socio-political & economic history of your childhood homeland. It really is a shame that people are experiencing atrocities and strife inflicted by the West. Let’s pray Kiev will wake up and stop selling out their fellow Ukrainians to Washington propaganda/ political power plays. *Peace*

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Episode 2 of LadaRayLive. Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie and Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU


The stepchildren of Europe. The unrecognized Pridnestrovie – PMR (aka, Transnistria or TransDniestria) seceded from Moldova in 1990-1992, following a brutal civil war, and it had been knocking on the door of the Russian Federation ever since. In February 2014 Moldova’s other area, the Gagauzia Autonomy, had a referendum in which citizens voted overwhelmingly to secede from Moldova and join Customs Union with Russia. The new party, “Moldova’s Choice – Customs Union” has been formed in Moldova, and Moldovan farmers, who are about to be bankrupted because of sanctions, are on the march. Meanwhile, the Chisinau (Kishinev) politicians and elites continue leading the country into EU. In three months, Moldova will have parliamentary elections. The explosion is coming. Will Moldova turn into another Ukraine? Listen to the very detailed and heartfelt analysis and predictions from…

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going bats

Great points Alice, whatever happened to being stewards of our planet and leaving it a better place for the next generation. This unabated greed will kill us all, consumerism is a very short sighted model of existence. Thanks for sharing the message of conservation and protection of our biome, animals, air, water – NATURE!

Ex-NSA Director, US Intelligence Veterans Write Open Letter To Merkel To Avoid All-Out Ukraine War

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Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Washington, and the specter of a new Cold War, U.S. intelligence veterans one of whom is none other than William Binney, the former senior NSA crypto-mathematician who back in March 2012 blew the whistle on the NSA’s spying programs more than a year before Edward Snowden, took the unusual step of sending the following memo dated August 30 to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”

Via AntiWar and ConsortiumNews, highlights ours

MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO

We the undersigned are longtime veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you have an opportunity to be briefed on our views prior to the NATO summit on September 4-5.

You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian “invasion” of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the “intelligence” seems to be of the same dubious, politically “fixed” kind used 12 years ago to “justify” the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now. Twelve years ago, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, mindful of the flimsiness of the evidence on Iraqi WMD, refused to join in the attack on Iraq. In our view, you should be appropriately suspicions of charges made by the US State Department and NATO officials alleging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

President Barack Obama tried yesterday to cool the rhetoric of his own senior diplomats and the corporate media, when he publicly described recent activity in the Ukraine, as “a continuation of what’s been taking place for months now … it’s not really a shift.”

Obama, however, has only tenuous control over the policymakers in his administration – who, sadly, lack much sense of history, know little of war, and substitute anti-Russian invective for a policy. One year ago, hawkish State Department officials and their friends in the media very nearly got Mr. Obama to launch a major attack on Syria based, once again, on “intelligence” that was dubious, at best.

Largely because of the growing prominence of, and apparent reliance on, intelligence we believe to be spurious, we think the possibility of hostilities escalating beyond the borders of Ukraine has increased significantly over the past several days. More important, we believe that this likelihood can be avoided, depending on the degree of judicious skepticism you and other European leaders bring to the NATO summit next week.

Experience With Untruth

Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know.”

Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on August 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on February 5, 2003 that, likewise, proved nothing.

That same day, we warned President Bush that our former colleague analysts were “increasingly distressed at the politicization of intelligence” and told him flatly, “Powell’s presentation does not come close” to justifying war. We urged Mr. Bush to “widen the discussion … beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.”

Consider Iraq today. Worse than catastrophic. Although President Vladimir Putin has until now showed considerable reserve on the conflict in the Ukraine, it behooves us to remember that Russia, too, can “shock and awe.” In our view, if there is the slightest chance of that kind of thing eventually happening to Europe because of Ukraine, sober-minded leaders need to think this through very carefully.

If the photos that NATO and the US have released represent the best available “proof” of an invasion from Russia, our suspicions increase that a major effort is under way to fortify arguments for the NATO summit to approve actions that Russia is sure to regard as provocative. Caveat emptor is an expression with which you are no doubt familiar. Suffice it to add that one should be very cautious regarding what Mr. Rasmussen, or even Secretary of State John Kerry, are peddling.

We trust that your advisers have kept you informed regarding the crisis in Ukraine from the beginning of 2014, and how the possibility that Ukraine would become a member of NATO is anathema to the Kremlin. According to a February 1, 2008 cable (published by WikiLeaks) from the US embassy in Moscow to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, US Ambassador William Burns was called in by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who explained Russia’s strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine.

Lavrov warned pointedly of “fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.” Burns gave his cable the unusual title, “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES,” and sent it off to Washington with IMMEDIATE precedence. Two months later, at their summit in Bucharest NATO leaders issued a formal declaration that “Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO.”

Just yesterday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk used his Facebook page to claim that, with the approval of Parliament that he has requested, the path to NATO membership is open. Yatsenyuk, of course, was Washington’s favorite pick to become prime minister after the February 22 coup d’etat in Kiev. “Yats is the guy,” said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland a few weeks before the coup, in an intercepted telephone conversation with US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. You may recall that this is the same conversation in which Nuland said, “Fuck the EU.”

Timing of the Russian “Invasion”

The conventional wisdom promoted by Kiev just a few weeks ago was that Ukrainian forces had the upper hand in fighting the anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine, in what was largely portrayed as a mop-up operation. But that picture of the offensive originated almost solely from official government sources in Kiev. There were very few reports coming from the ground in southeastern Ukraine. There was one, however, quoting Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, that raised doubt about the reliability of the government’s portrayal.

According to the “press service of the President of Ukraine” on August 18, Poroshenko called for a “regrouping of Ukrainian military units involved in the operation of power in the East of the country. … Today we need to do the rearrangement of forces that will defend our territory and continued army offensives,” said Poroshenko, adding, “we need to consider a new military operation in the new circumstances.”

If the “new circumstances” meant successful advances by Ukrainian government forces, why would it be necessary to “regroup,” to “rearrange” the forces? At about this time, sources on the ground began to report a string of successful attacks by the anti-coup federalists against government forces. According to these sources, it was the government army that was starting to take heavy casualties and lose ground, largely because of ineptitude and poor leadership.

Ten days later, as they became encircled and/or retreated, a ready-made excuse for this was to be found in the “Russian invasion.” That is precisely when the fuzzy photos were released by NATO and reporters like the New York Times’ Michael Gordon were set loose to spread the word that “the Russians are coming.” (Michael Gordon was one of the most egregious propagandists promoting the war on Iraq.)

No Invasion – But Plenty Other Russian Support

The anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine enjoy considerable local support, partly as a result of government artillery strikes on major population centers. And we believe that Russian support probably has been pouring across the border and includes, significantly, excellent battlefield intelligence. But it is far from clear that this support includes tanks and artillery at this point – mostly because the federalists have been better led and surprisingly successful in pinning down government forces.

At the same time, we have little doubt that, if and when the federalists need them, the Russian tanks will come.

This is precisely why the situation demands a concerted effort for a ceasefire, which you know Kiev has so far been delaying. What is to be done at this point? In our view, Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk need to be told flat-out that membership in NATO is not in the cards – and that NATO has no intention of waging a proxy war with Russia – and especially not in support of the ragtag army of Ukraine. Other members of NATO need to be told the same thing.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

  •     William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)
  •     David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
  •     Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
  •     Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
  •     Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)
  •     Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
  •     Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)


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These guys (and girls) have big balls indeed.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:02 | 5169498saratogaprepper
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I’d stay away from nailguns if I were them.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:05 | 5169508X.inf.capt
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Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:39 | 5169631Herd Redirectio…
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Told ya the Armed Forces told TPTB “Go fuck yourselves, we’re not fighting Russia.”

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:52 | 5169684sunaJ
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How un-patriotic of them!  Sadly, you don’t have to be an ex- or current NSA employee to see it.  All it takes is a reasonable person to pay attention (I know,this is the problem) to the web of disinfo and it is obviously a shit show.  As far as I can tell, here is where we are:


The Western political regime has been failing for a long time, and has maintained a constant “crisis-mode” in order to keep the facade up and the dissent down.

The financial fraud has long since engulfed the entire economic system of the west, to where now virtually every market is dominated by these fraudsters.

To placate the inattentive masses, the narratives (political, social and economic) must become more and more bizzare in order to maintain the look of “sanity.”

The corporate press are so desperate to maintain the failed narratives and faux polarities that little or no truth is revealed by the former 4th estate.

Because of the ongoing narrative, people die every day – through murder, hardship and suicide – so that a few can benefit from this failed society.

The most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world is still serving this failed regime.


If you try to find reason or good social conscience in any of it, it will do nothing but make you mentally ill, because all it is there to do is to hide the truth and to cover the tracks of traitor elites that will destroy everyone rather than relinquish power.   All of these tools and centralized powers will soon be turned upon Americans in true and all-out snake-eats-tail fashion.


Since I have let go of the otherwise meaningless narratives peddled on MSM and by gov talking heads, I really do see where much of it all fits together.  What I’m saying is, there is much less cognitive dissonance when you realize that your society actually is caving in on itself.   The best thing I can suggest if and when you come to these conclusions is to set long-term constructive goals that assume the above is true.  Don’t panic.  Make goals.  Here are some I came up with:

-become as self-reliant as possible, and as little reliant upon the gov as possible.

-without evangelizing it, always be prepared to help your loved ones understand it.

-have an emergency action plan (or plans) to cover a variety of contingencies.

-teach yourself as many skills and trades that would be important in a post-financial collapse world.

-network with your neighbors (face-to-face, not on FB, ffs).

-stay in shape.

-don’t wallow in the sadness of a society that is destroying itself, or you will reflect it in one way or another (substance abuse, depression, etc).


Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:57 | 5169701markmotive

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:07 | 5169730Herd Redirectio…
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Yep, exercise.  I am involved in coaching the youngsters (soccer), and its important for me that they LOVE physical exercise.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:14 | 5169746Chupacabra-322
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Modern day Hero’s. the Pressititue media will not utter a word of it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:23 | 5169786TeamDepends
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Good thing no one pays attention to them anymore. They are sinking like a stone.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:41 | 5169843SoberOne
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Thank you for this.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:54 | 5169872nope-1004
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Sanity, finally.  I guess if anyone normal is given airtime, or allowed to have their views published, then basically anything of common sense is seen as sane against the current Banker Cabal trying to protect a dead petro-currency with their insane acts of agression, false flags, empty threats, and money market manipulation.


Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:18 | 5169931Bananamerican
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CIA, you done fucked up…
You accidentally hired some people of intelligence AND principle

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:24 | 5169938Stuart
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ZeroHedge needs to keep this post on top of main page for many days.  It’s important enough to do so… to spread this POV.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:44 | 5169982Drunk In Church
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I’m not sure what to do with Russia.  But I trust Obama’s wisdom completely.  He’s my favorite dictator.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:57 | 5170006jeff montanye
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at first read this link seems incredible but it seems to connect the dots with a minimum of fuss.


Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:58 | 5170007CheapBastard
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This means War!


Based on:

1) 89% of Merikans are against war in the Ukraine;

2) slim, spurious, suspicious, spacious evidence of Russian invasion; and,

3) strong economic, “Summa of Rekovery.”

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:39 | 5170088COSMOS
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They should of sent the letter to AIPAC



Tue, 09/02/2014 – 01:32 | 5170162El Vaquero
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Oddly enough, this gives me some hope for the past.  It shows that, at one point, there were players who stood for some of the things that myself and many others felt were good about this country.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:02 | 5169898TheReplacement
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Can we trade this one and get the goat dude back?

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:55 | 5170001QQQBall
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Will they all be moving to Russia via Hong Kong?

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:17 | 5170050MontgomeryScott
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No, you treasonous fuck.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:15 | 5169748Anusocracy
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I certainly hope Russia cheated on all its arms control treaties.

Judging by all the pathological liars here, I’m sure the US has.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 01:38 | 5170167El Vaquero
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But probably only where they think it counts.  I wouldn’t be surprised if we stuck to all of the various START treaties, because we could still annhilate the world while adhearing to them.  OTOH, Russia has made many of its newer ICBMs and SLBMs such that they could be made to violate those treaties in a hurry while not actually deploying them in a way that violates them, or so we’re told.  They’ve built them with the potential to MIRV the fuck out of them, while not actually deploying them with more warheads than the treaties allow.


Speaking of, since ZH is doing a lot of geopolitics these days, it might be worth it for the Tylers to compile all that exists in the public domain on Russia’s current nuclear arsenal.  Such a compilation wouldn’t be 100% accurate, but as with all things involving nuclear warheads, close is good enough.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:16 | 5169759BraveSirRobin
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Sorry, but which one is “Ex-NSA” director? They all look to be a bunch of pretty junior guys to me, and some have been out of the loop for decades.

This link takes you to a link of all former, that is “Ex” directors of the NSA: https://www.nsa.gov/about/leadership/former_directors.shtml

All directors of the NSA have held three star general officer or flag officer rank. None of the guys on this letter came close. The head line to this article is, in fact, false.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:20 | 5169933TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nice attempt at subterfuge via conflation, Brave Sir Robin.

“William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA”

Perhaps you should try a different logical fallacy. Maybe you’ll have better luck.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:31 | 5169952TheReplacement
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The top dog at the NSA is called the Director of.  The headline is misleading.  We are on the same side here but facts are facts.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:27 | 5170070UGrev
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Well technically he is “A” director. Perhaps not “THE” director, but the article title doesn’t specifcy that which is ambiguously assumed by people reading it. Semantics aside, who cares.. this letter has the potential to be a thorn at worst; at best, a spear in the side of this administration.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:26 | 5170067BraveSirRobin
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You truly are a moron.

“Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA” is not the director of the NSA, who have always been 3 star general and flag officers of the US military.

William Binney was essentially the guy who developed and administered computer networks for a directorate in the NSA. He was never Senior Executive Service. I think the highest paygrade he achieved was GS-14, which is small potatos in DC. He never ran any directorate, division or branch within NSA. He has not been in the loop at NSA for 13 years, and really has no clue what he is talking about at this point. No one disconeected from an organization for 13 years, especially one as compartmentalized and secretative as the NSA, possible could.

Again, the headline of the article is blatantly factually incorrect, and so the rest of the article’s contents should be treated with great suspicion.

I am not a friend of the NSA. I think their spying on US citizens without warrant is uncontitutional and people there need to be fired and/or sent to jail, starting with Clapper who lied to congress. But facts are facts, and you do your cause no service by just making shit up.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:38 | 5170079caustixoid
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your question: “but which one is “Ex-NSA” director?”

your answer: “I think the highest paygrade he achieved was GS-14…he has not been in the loop at NSA for 13 years”.

The gentleman knows more than he lets on methinks

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:38 | 5170082UGrev
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Credit where credit is due:


Binney was a Russia specialist and worked in the operations side of intelligence, starting as an analyst and ending as Technical Director prior to becoming a geopolitical world Technical Director. In the 1990s, -Wikipedia

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:39 | 5170084BraveSirRobin
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Oh, BTW, his last job at NSA was as “Technical Lead,” which looks to me like a demotion. My take is he is disgruntled. Perhaps it is because he did not like what he saw there and tried to stop it, but he resigned one month after 9/11, before the NSA started all this domestic spying crap. In the end, it may not really matter what his motives are, but you do have to take everything he claims with a grain of salt and try to verify all. His self-puffery does not lend him credence, however. Having said that, trust no one, and do not swallow anyone’s tripe just because of a personal inclination or bias, and facts really are facts. Ignore them at your own peril.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 01:20 | 5170142TeethVillage88s
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I guess you are a Patriarch and we should believe you and whatever political or interest groups you are exposed to??

So, you didn’t see his videos. You don’t know his public story. You have no links to share in what he said or his interviews? What you didn’t work professionally and were expected to be specific, use logic, reference philosophy?

– The very fact that they didn’t prosecute him for the things he was saying seems 51% in his advantage that he is a smart guy that outsmarted the Federal Government, DOJ, and the FBI.

But maybe that is too specific for you since it draws readers to look for videos and to read documents(dangerous).

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:47 | 5170101TheFourthStooge-ing
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Drivel from Brave Sir Robin:

is not the director of the NSA

It doesn’t say the director of the NSA, now does it?

He certainly worked at the NSA, though, as a director. You are the one attempting to conflate that with Big Poppa Head of NSA Starfleet Command.

So why do you persist in your attempts at conflation? This logical fallacy has failed you. Better to try a different one.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:51 | 5170104Plato’s Law
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Let’s get this straight.  No article precedes “director” in the headline.  If the article “the” preceded “director” it would be false, but it doesn’t so it’s not.

My ex-employer had dozens of Chiefs of several different levels, including one in particular who was “COD,” “CD1,” or “Chief of Department.”  It’s false to claim the dozens of Chiefs not COD are not each a Chief.

Exactly how is a Technical Director not a Director?

I agree it’s more accurate if the Title included the modifyer “Technical” in front of Director but it’s not false to omit the word.

I presume he answered directly to The Director or only one person removed.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:56 | 5169696philipat
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“I’d stay away from nailguns if I were them”

….and keep a very close eye on their car brakes and electronics, which seemsd to be the flavour of the week.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:16 | 5169757COSMOS
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Ride a horse, stay away from cars.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:52 | 5169997conscious being
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No small planes … scratch that. No large or small planes.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:11 | 5170039jeff montanye
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and try to avoid gunshots to the head.  did you know that in 1977 seven senior fbi officials died suspiciously right before they were to testify to the house select committee on assassinations?

these guys have been at it for a long time and they don’t take prisoners.


Tue, 09/02/2014 – 01:45 | 5170177El Vaquero
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Horses have a mind of their own and can be spooked.  Drive an older car that you maintain yourself.  Without the expensive diagnostic equipment or specality tools, t’s difficult to do more than an oil change and maybe a spark plug change on the new cars anyway, due to everything being integrated.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:25 | 5169794Ignatius
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Binney has signed the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition for a new investigation:



Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:03 | 5169900TeamDepends
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Molten pools of metal for weeks = not jet fuel accellerant.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:49 | 5169668666
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The EU and USSA want war. They know their economies are tanking with no hope of reviving them (yes, QE is a total disaster and they know it), and a war would be a very convenient scapegoat to blame it all on. In the public’s eye, the politicians would come out smelling like a rose, and of course they would never do any of the actual fighting themselves.

The only potential monkey wrench would be if it turned into a nuclear war. They will hide in their fallout shelters and survive, but the masses that they need to support and make them rich will be gone.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 21:59 | 5169703swmnguy
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The US and the EU want what they thought they had, and still might get.  They want low-level guerrilla war through proxies.  They don’t want open, full-on war.  They want this to take as long for Russia as Afghanistan is taking for us, and for that matter,as it did for the Russians 30 years ago.  That way maximum damage can be done to potential rivals Russia and the EU.

The EU hasn’t yet figured out that the US is their enemy too, strategically.  Or if they have, they haven’t figured out how to act accordingly.

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:41 | 5169976usednabused
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SWMN I understand you to say that the USSA has some sort of plan or idea as it is to further its goals. I assume that would be to help the average joe here. Well, the last 40 uears doesn’t bear any fruit to support that conclusion. I usually value your posts and all, but this time you need to think again.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:03 | 5170005conscious being
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The plan is to fight a war that enriches the MIC, disappears the books of the banksters and destroys potential geopolitical rivals. War in Europe fits the bill.

The concerns of “the average joe” are of no consequence.

Rather than ask “What’s in it for me?”, just be aware that murder for profit is evil that any decent person needs to oppose.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:28 | 5170071MontgomeryScott
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‘The EU and the USSA want war’.

After polling the 700 million or so citizens, Faux and Sky News found that only the ‘important’ people in the E.U. and the USSA actually WANT ‘war’ (all 250 or so, and only if ‘war’ means that their unlimited rations of whateverthefucktheywant goes up in cost in a commensory manner to their ability to pay). Since they are the only ones deemed to be ‘important’, the MSM has been trotting them out to push for the war.

Meanwhile; Satan; laughing; spreads his wings.



It ain’t frakking KANSAS anymore, Toto!

Mon, 09/01/2014 – 22:04 | 5169723Renewable Life
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Did Edward Snowden just go mainstream or what??

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:15 | 5170046wee-weed up
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I don’t think Snowden has anthing to do with the conclusion here…

Which is the West needs/wants war. Period.

Tue, 09/02/2014 – 00:39 | 5170087MontgomeryScott
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You missed the point, like a child who was looking down as the sun rose on their birthday. This moment will be forever lost on you.

SNOWDEN and his (outdated) intelligence ‘leaking’ was the FIRST chance that this information had to go GLOBAL and VIRAL at the same time; and ALL nations (other than the CONUS) are really fucking PISSED now. The ex-NSA officers and CIA members that blazed the trail of TRUE ‘opacity’ before this ‘Snowden’ kid did are calling for restraint and reason, and YOU only see the MSM-fed side of things, ‘wee-wee’.


Mon, 09/01/2014 – 23:01 | 5169895Things that go bump
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If, and that’s a big if, they crawled out of those fallout shelters, the world they reentered would be a hard-scrabble one indeed that I don’t imagine any would enjoy very much, certainly not those pampered few if that’s any consolation. Life would be back to being “solitary, poor, nasty, bruitish and short.” Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.