Firing Unvaccinated Healthcare Workers? An Alt-Middle Doctor’s Perspective

An important message from a compassionate doctor… so rare these days, plz share:

Are we really going to fire healthcare workers who won’t vaccinate…during a pandemic? Here’s one doctor’s take. Transcript, podcast, and links: https://zdoggmd.com/healthcare-vaccin…

Akira

Akira

17 hours agoThe protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected. 🙂

jose L

jose L

13 hours agoA recent BMJ article says “If natural immunity is strongly protective, as the evidence to date suggests it is, then vaccinating people who have had covid-19 would seem to offer nothing or very little to benefit, logically leaving only harms—both the harms we already know about as well as those still unknown,” says Christine Stabell Benn, vaccinologist and professor in global health at the University of Southern Denmark. The CDC has acknowledged the small but serious risks of heart inflammation and blood clots after vaccination, especially in younger people. The real risk in vaccinating people who have had covid-19 “is of doing more harm than good,” she says.”  I always wondered if there were some randomized clinical trials indicating the safety and need to “just get one shot” if you’ve had Covid.  I mean, either you believe in #naturalimmunity or you don’t, right?Show less13REPLYHide 2 replies

Lil Crafty Nook

Lil Crafty Nook

1 hour agoYes!!🙌🏻1REPLY

Basmah Harami

Basmah Harami

1 hour agoOn point!1REPLY

paper burn

paper burn

36 minutes agoConfirmed natural immunity has its place in the system BUT and its a big BUT it can not be the only part of the solution.(even the good doctor says this but most people do not get that as a takeaway by the comments.) Most people are not qualified to make and understand these decisions. consult your doctor or primary care giver so she can look at your history and recommend what is best. Not someone on YouTube you have never seen before, in an algorithm that is designed to confirm personal bias for the company’s profit.REPLY

Eddie757

Eddie757

16 hours agoA reasonable video as always, even though I am not in 100% agreement. No question the data shows that the vaccines are very effective against the development of serious illness and death. However, I am troubled by the continued use of “immunity” in discussing the rationale for mandates. We know that the COVID vaccines do not provide true immunity from infection the way that the measles, small pox, mumps, etc., vaccines we commonly received as kids do. Those vaccines boast infection efficacies into the 90 percentiles according the CDC. The current vaccines appear to be more in the fly vaccine range of 50% or so. The Israeli data shows efficacy for Pfizer as low as 39%. The CDC acknowledged this problem by changing the definition of “vaccine” on September 1, to no longer required immunity as a result, only “protection.” Even though you indicated a 5 fold reduction in infection for vaccinated individual, its clear that vaccinated people are also becoming infected and spreading the virus. To this end, a vaccinated health care worker also present a risk of spread to patients, which is not exclusively a risk associated with their unvaccinated cohorts. I am also not sure of the true significance of a 5 fold reduction given the contagious nature of Delta. Vaccination is not slowing down the spread in Israel, whose adult population is nearly 80% vaccinated. I am not against vaccination, but the I think the decision is a bit more nuanced than is currently proffered by the popular narrative. You have always been open to a more nuanced view of the issue, which I appreciate.Show less18REPLYHide 2 replies

Yves Heinrich

Yves Heinrich

5 hours agoVery well said! It’s no wonder the spread in Israel since early July was so consistent to an amass 90,000 infected. The irresponsibility of the government and health officials to maintain that potential herd immunity and still restricting travel, as both infection and date rates SIGNIFICANTLY dropped between May to June. Theaters reopened and there wasn’t really any mandate other than the masks, of course. It’s like May of last year. From 10,000 to 2,000 infected, Israel reopened and everything seemed to function as intended.1REPLY

Eddie757

Eddie757

1 hour ago@UC6Lv53T1QbkZvSfNUc2oMBw The data is strong that the vaccines are a great mitigators of potentially severe outcomes. I do note in certain demographics this is already a small risk, even without the vaccines. However, mandating the vaccines in the workplace is predicated upon preventing infection and spread, not personal health outcomes. The former is a public health issue and the latter a personal one. If the current vaccines were similar to the ones I mentioned above that are sterilizing, then the the rationale for a vaccine requirement would be more rationale. Essentially, mandating the vaccines for the personal health benefit of a nurse, with the threat of termination, for example, does not make sense.Show less1REPLY

paper burn

paper burn

36 minutes agobut vaccines have dropped the death rate of the vaccinated to very low levels. Not ending up dead sounds like a win to meREPLY

Eddie757

Eddie757

11 minutes ago @paper burn But that is not the basis for the vaccine mandates in the work place. Preventing the spread of infection is, which is not the primary benefit of this set of vaccines.REPLY

Geico Kaveman

Geico Kaveman

1 minute ago @Eddie757  but it is still one of the benefits. There are still data showing the vaccines work, still preventing infection in many people. It’s not that they don’t work, in fact they have admitted the Israel data of 39% was skewed. It’s not entirely accurate and may take more months before we truly know.

2 thoughts on “Firing Unvaccinated Healthcare Workers? An Alt-Middle Doctor’s Perspective

    • I’m all for freedom of choice, and respect everyone equally. I feel the gov’ts of the world are being silly trying to politicize Covid, pitting the vaxxed against the unvaxxed. Can’t we all just get along? 😉

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